Playfully Wicked
KV (00:01.189)
Welcome back to another fabulous episode of Sex and the One, which we are very excited to be having another exciting guest on. And as you can probably see, this is a very unusual scenario that we have going on here, which makes us even more excited. Please welcome Jay from Playfully Wicked Events.
Bianca (00:05.804)
That's another one.
Bianca (00:15.33)
Very excited.
Bianca (00:29.92)
Woohoo! Welcome Jay. We're so excited to have you on the pod, your first podcast. We feel very privileged.
KV (00:31.569)
Woohoo!
Jay (00:32.012)
Thank you.
It is, Yes, thank you for asking me to be here. So yeah, I'm a little bit nervous, but I talk a lot, so I think I can do this.
KV (00:48.187)
So all is well. That's what podcasts are for, so you're in the right place. So the first question I guess, yeah, sorry, go back.
Jay (00:51.446)
Yes!
Bianca (00:52.374)
Yes, if you... wait, let's preface this. Like if you're driving in the car listening, maybe take some time to look at the visual after you stop driving. Like, please drive safely. But just have a look at the vid, our little video, because you may see our faces. But then we have Jay and Jay's going to explain a little bit more as to why we have the mask and the gorgeous wig to, you know, as a part of the persona.
Jay (01:17.923)
Yes.
Bianca (01:21.43)
I would say. Yeah, like let's get into that.
Jay (01:25.1)
Yeah. Okay. so yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't like, do faceless content because I don't want the focus to be on what I look like. Like, and it, it's kind of in keeping with our parties as well, because, a lot of the time at these parties, people like to get dressed up. It's all about, you know, being discreet. kind of, a lot of people are quite, can be quite anonymous. Like a lot of people have like this alternate identity, that like in the swingers scene.
KV (01:25.137)
Yep.
Jay (01:54.272)
So that's what I.
KV (01:54.501)
Yeah, if we could just back it up just a tiny bit because people won't necessarily know what you're talking about right now because some people will have no knowledge at all about the swing scene or parties. So you are the organiser of Playfully Wicked events, which runs, would you call them sex parties? Which runs six parties once every few months in Melbourne. And
Bianca (01:56.836)
Yeah.
Jay (02:02.722)
Okay.
Jay (02:07.021)
Yes.
Jay (02:16.78)
Yeah, yep, yep.
Jay (02:22.402)
Yes, we don't have them very often and we're quite new in terms of parties to the scene but I've been in the scene for a long time and we wanted to do this with a group of friends because we wanted to create our own experience but also a safe space for women to explore whatever they want to and also make friends without the people.
Bianca (02:36.707)
Yeah. Yeah.
KV (02:50.705)
And so what sorts of things happen? Like how do these events happen? Like run people, people like there were people who have no idea, never heard of these events, don't know anything about them. Run people through how you would find one, why it would interest you, what kind of thing would happen on the night, know, like just like pull through exactly what you experienced.
Jay (03:08.866)
Yep. Okay. How, how you, okay. How I found out about the parties when I became active. guess you could say in this, in the scene, I don't like to it swing a scene, but we'll just call it that. I was, they usually, they're usually advertised on various apps. Like, one is Red Hot Pie. don't know if I can say.
Bianca (03:36.866)
Yeah.
Jay (03:38.478)
But there are different apps that cater to casual hookups, a particular lifestyle. And then a lot of these parties are listed in these apps. So I've just come out of a long-term relationship and then I saw I was going out with someone and I was really curious about these parties. So I'd seen them advertised.
KV (03:38.981)
Say anything.
Jay (04:05.734)
And I just asked my male friend to go to one of these parties with me. And that's how people find them really. I think it's also, is it Reddit? There's like a chat group in Reddit where it's called like Melbourne Swingers Parties or something like that. So I think you just have to do a little bit of digging, but you can find them advertised kind of anywhere really. And...
The important part is I think you need to do your research though before attending one of these events because you need to make sure that they're safe. There are lots of different types. So there are house parties, are like exclusive screened events, which is the type that I have that are quite small. But then you also get your big dance, like they're always like rave dance events where
Bianca (04:36.81)
Yeah.
KV (04:59.815)
Thanks and sinners.
Jay (05:01.236)
Yeah, yeah, like Saints and Sinners, Pearl is another one. So it depends on what type of experience you want. And I was just really curious about, I just wanted to go to any of like when I first came across them, because I had no idea. And before I like when I was in my long term relationship, I was like, it was very, very vanilla free. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I wanted to explore and kind of see all these different things.
Bianca (05:01.442)
So, thank you
Jay (05:28.59)
I came across the ad and I was like, you know, to my friend, can, do you want to come with me to this? And we attended the first one. think the very first one was Per, that was 2019, something like that. I loved it. I loved it because, and you guys should go, you should come, because, because everybody there is so open-minded. It's about, you know, all body types, shapes and sizes.
Bianca (05:31.649)
Bianca (05:51.848)
Yes.
Jay (05:58.581)
you know, people walking around in their underwear and it's really surreal when you first get there and you experience it, but it gives you a whole new appreciation for your body. It kind of helps you develop this confidence that you didn't even know, well, I didn't even know I had really. So that's the experience that I take away from these parties and the scene in general.
Bianca (06:10.263)
Yeah.
Okay.
KV (06:26.951)
So you obviously went to a few parties and then what made you decide to run your own?
Jay (06:33.326)
Yep, because I'd been to so many, I wanted to create my own experience and I had a close girlfriend and a couple who we know well and we're friends and they just said, well, let's do our own party. And it did come from wanting to create a space where it was more about, less about the sex.
and more about the connection and making friends with other women in the scene. like, you know, the sexual part, cause we're all sexual beings, right? Everyone wants to be desired and all of that stuff. But for my parties, wanted it to be the focus is all about connection, genuine friendship and things like that. Where you can walk away and you've made a friend with someone and you know, if you've done naughty stuff together, that's great too. But that's...
That's like the afterthought. It's not the focal point for me. And that's why I wanted to run my parties.
Bianca (07:32.619)
Okay. Do you find couples go to these, do couple like married couples go to these events often? are your, that's obviously where my brain's going, but yeah.
KV (07:33.575)
So what sort of... Sorry, go ahead.
Jay (07:38.476)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. The couple that I run the parties with who assist, they're married. They've got young children, they're lovely. And I think they recently opened up their marriage to other experiences and things like that. So yeah, I actually have heaps of friends that are married and couples and some long-term, some have like teenage children.
Bianca (08:11.25)
Welcome.
Jay (08:12.106)
Organizing the parties is interesting because some of them that have older children, sometimes adult children, know, like make sure that no one associated with my kids is going to be there because I can't do that. I'm like, yeah, fair enough. So it's also managing that. But yeah, absolutely. And the parties are for couples, single women. We have a handful of single guys.
Bianca (08:20.049)
Yes.
Bianca (08:27.687)
Yes.
Jay (08:39.81)
but they're screened. I usually make sure that they understand consent and all that sort of stuff. So I'm very careful with that. Cause there's a lot of, I've not had any bad experiences in the scene, but there are other people that have had, but I think because I'm probably, I may be a little bit more careful with what parties I'm going and maybe a little bit more research involved. I'm not sure, but yeah, there is.
Bianca (08:42.856)
Yeah.
Bianca (08:47.36)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jay (09:06.808)
There are people that have had bad experiences and that's what I don't want to have it ours. So yeah.
KV (09:12.079)
you describe as a bad experience? Like what sorts of things should people look out for?
Jay (09:16.974)
think mostly it's people that are pushy, overly pushy. And it's not just men, it can be women too. But yeah, over like people that don't understand consent. Like if someone says no, it's a no. Like you don't follow up with, you know, come on, maybe we can try something. Yeah, so it's just looking for people that are not pushy first, like that's the first red flag.
If there's any kind of pushback on that, then I don't even, there's no, there's no, there's no follow on from there. It's just, it's just a no.
Bianca (09:47.104)
Yeah.
KV (09:52.424)
So is that how you would that be involved in your screening process? Like for the guys, for example, would you like interview them to see what type of personality they had in that regard?
Jay (09:56.215)
Yeah.
Jay (10:03.062)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, with the screening and well this goes for everybody but it's, I spend about half an hour, even to an hour sometimes on the telephone with them. Like it's a FaceTime and we talk about, and I try to get a sense of, know, just vibes. kind of people, you know, what sort of movies do you like? I mean, I think you can spend about an hour talking to someone and you get a pretty good idea of what they're like. So.
But definitely consent is one of the big like the topics that I will talk to them about if they've been to any similar events how they handled you know someone not wanting you know not being interested in them and things like that because that People are going to not be interested in you. So yeah
Bianca (10:45.311)
Yeah. Thank
KV (10:54.075)
What's your favorite thing about the events for you personally?
Jay (10:59.006)
it's meeting people, like genuinely just particularly other women in the scene. Because I'm single and I really like making and I've made a lot of really genuine connections with other women who are friends. Like we go out and catch up and not just for sex parties, we go out and do normal stuff. yeah.
KV (11:26.267)
Would you say most of the scene is, like are most people private about their lives in this area or do you find some of them everyone knows in their life?
Jay (11:36.527)
They are, no, they are. A lot of people are very private because it's not socially accepted still. mean, there is a lot of negativity associated with it and it's not what people think generally. It's not a gangbang. It's like, mean, those types of parties are available but it's not the normal kind of thing that happens at one of these parties.
Bianca (11:41.535)
Yeah. Thank you for clarifying that because I'm just like.
Jay (12:06.247)
Thank
Bianca (12:10.238)
like when I think of that, I'm like, what does it look like? And I'm honestly like, I'm married, I've been married for a long time. And I'm like, what is this something that we could explore? really not sure because I don't know what to expect. So I love that we're able to have this conversation and to open it up to, because we have, you know, various types of people that listen to the podcast. So yeah, thank you for sharing this. Like we want all the details because...
It's just giving us a picture of what to experience. And I guess, you know, we're curious beings as well. And it's just, I don't know if I'm ever going to walk into a party one day. So I want to know now before, you know, what's next step.
Jay (12:38.318)
Yeah!
Jay (12:48.46)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, no, absolutely. And I talk about this on, do lots of lives on TikTok and things like that. it is that, it's a ditty party or, you you like gang bangs and it's not, it's nothing like that. There are kind of very niche parties that cater to people that want that and that's fine. But...
Bianca (12:58.245)
Yeah!
Bianca (13:13.404)
in
Jay (13:14.67)
most of them and a lot of the smaller intimate parties like the ones that I run I Would say go like this you get there Mine I usually like it a really beautiful like a penthouse or a luxurious apartment To set the scene make sure everyone's you know comfortable they get there have a couple of drinks Usually we give that they start get there eight eight o'clock
Everyone has to be there by about 9.30, doors shut. We don't want anyone coming in after that. And then so we give everyone about an hour or two to talk, get to know each other and just mingle like you would at a normal party, with fully closed, closed on. Cocktail over, yeah, yeah. So we have alcohol, we have drinks, we don't allow drug use. And also we don't want people...
being overly drunk either because that affects consent. So we have four hosts, which is me, a close friend and the couple that I mentioned earlier. And so after 9.30, and then if people want to, usually with the people that I have at my party, we've got a mix of people that have been in the scene for a little while and people that have, it's their first time.
Bianca (14:09.678)
Yeah. Yep.
Jay (14:36.552)
usually the guys that have been the scene for while, they'll get their gear off and they'll just go straight into the rooms, right? Because some of them already know each other as well. Whereas some of the newbies will just kind of tentatively maybe watch or maybe like, just kind of maybe kiss people or something like that. But there's never any pressure to do anything. Like you can just socialize if that's what you want to do and get to know people.
Bianca (14:45.071)
Yeah, okay.
Jay (15:05.376)
I had one single guy come for the first time. He was really sweet. He was very respectful. He spoke to everybody really nicely. He was such a nice guy. He didn't do anything. I thought he'd be the first to have his gear off, right? And be in one of the rooms. But also consent is a thing. mean, you still need to have a connection with...
Bianca (15:19.588)
Well.
Bianca (15:32.539)
yeah. Do that again.
Jay (15:32.778)
another couple or a woman or a man or who you know it's like and that's why we give people the opportunity to talk and mingle and chat and all that sort of stuff and then if they want to they kind of move off into rooms and and you know get naughty and do lots of naughty stuff.
KV (15:51.269)
People will go like how many people we're talking are there.
Jay (15:55.063)
It depends. At ours last, we had about 25. I like to keep it small and intimate. Also for safety reasons, I think if it gets too big, it's difficult to oversee what people are getting up to. I know of other people that run parties where they have up to 60 people, like same scenario, but they also have more people helping out. So in the scene we have
consent angels who are people that oversee that people are being the right kind of naughty, right? And then there's someone there if anyone is feeling uncomfortable about something, there's someone that they can go to. With my parties, I'm the host, don't do anything at the parties other than host and make sure everybody else is being looked after along with the other hosts that we have.
Bianca (16:32.477)
Yeah.
Jay (16:54.277)
Yeah, and then it finishes up. So the parties usually finish up at one o'clock, two o'clock depending on what your party is. But mine's one o'clock, yeah.
KV (16:54.897)
Sorry.
Bianca (17:00.269)
Yeah.
KV (17:04.408)
So like 11 p.m. just this is for B to picture in her brain. If she was to knock on the door she wouldn't be allowed in but just say she was allowed in. She'd walk in, she'd see a few people over by the bar chatting then she'd go to like one, two, three of the bedrooms and maybe there's five people in each bedroom in various undress.
Jay (17:09.037)
Yes.
Bianca (17:13.379)
now.
Jay (17:15.799)
it.
Jay (17:21.965)
Yep.
Bianca (17:25.436)
Doors open?
Jay (17:26.626)
Doors are always open because... Yeah, no, they'll stay open.
Bianca (17:30.043)
You know that!
KV (17:32.027)
Yeah, this is why I'm doing this. This is stuff that people don't realize what happens.
Jay (17:37.743)
Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, doors stay open, I think, for safety too. Like, I, as a host, I need to be able to see what's going on in all the rooms in case something that shouldn't be going on is, so I need to be able to easily, so doors open. Yeah, there's, mean, there's a little bit of, you know, if you're a bit of an exhibitionist and you want to have a bit of a go at that, like, yeah, it's,
Bianca (17:37.753)
Hello!
Bianca (17:42.883)
Yeah!
Bianca (17:51.301)
Yes.
Jay (18:06.828)
Look, it's really exciting and it's surreal at the same time because yeah, if you were to walk in at 11 o'clock, most people will actually be in their underwear, even if they're not doing anything naughty, right? Like they're sipping drinks, cocktails, and they're just in their underwear in the kitchen, or they're just hanging out in like on the lounge in their lingerie. Like, and usually people can't, and particularly the women love to get dressed in like really beautiful lingerie and they'll just kind of hang out.
Bianca (18:23.575)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jay (18:36.308)
That's the surreal part, but I was saying, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
Bianca (18:39.099)
It's quite empowering for a woman, isn't it? Like to just be able to stand there in her lingerie and not be involved in anything if you don't want to be and be involved if you want to be.
Jay (18:47.298)
Yeah!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And the funny thing is, is because one of my close friends, we go to a lot of the parties together, our girlfriend, and when we go out, like we went to see a movie a few months ago, and I saw her come out of an Uber and I didn't even recognize her because she's like, you we're in civilian clothing. That's what we call it. So yeah, and like once you've been to these
Bianca (19:12.743)
civilian clothing.
KV (19:15.226)
Okay, good.
Jay (19:18.08)
Once you've gone to a lot of these parties, going to an event where you have to dress normally is really strange.
Bianca (19:26.603)
Yeah.
KV (19:28.119)
Do people use fake names and fake occupations?
Jay (19:30.935)
Yeah, most people do. yeah, most people do look there. mean, and a lot of the people in the scene, they come from all walks of life. mean, know, they're the CEOs, they run businesses, they're doctors. So it is and it's, mean, I wish it, I wish it weren't so taboo. I think it's silly. I think it's crazy that, that it is because it's, we're all kind of
Bianca (19:40.761)
Yeah.
Jay (19:59.425)
It's just, it's a social event, but you just kind of happen to have your clothes off and you can do other things. Yeah.
Bianca (20:04.909)
Yeah.
KV (20:09.255)
Have you had many women come to you and say, I've got this sexual fantasy, could you please help me enact the fantasy at the event? Have you had that happen?
Jay (20:18.222)
I haven't had any women, but I did have a couple who wanted to attend the next party. I actually just, I was chatting with them just last night and they were after like specific experience at the party. And yeah, and I think they're quite new. So they've not been to a party before and they're like, oh, we want this to happen. And I just, I can't guarantee that. I mean, you it's like, it's based on talking to you, talking to other people.
Bianca (20:25.102)
Thank
Bianca (20:42.54)
Yeah.
Jay (20:47.918)
developing a connection with these other people and then them wanting to do it. Like I can't, if you want a specific experience, then you need to pay someone to create that experience for you. Do you know what I mean? It's like, I don't control what other people do at these parties. Like they just come along and then it's, they just meet and see what happens. So yeah.
Bianca (20:58.199)
You're welcome.
Bianca (21:05.315)
Yeah.
What's the cost involved for like people coming to a party? Like a couple, a single, how does that work?
Jay (21:13.934)
Yeah, it depends on like, so different parties have different costs. Generally, women around $80 to $150 depends on how depends on where the party's at, how exclusive it is. Sometimes like sometimes we have them at penthouses, like beautiful penthouses, and they will cost a little bit more. So single women, generally, I would say around $80 to $100.
Bianca (21:24.663)
Thanks.
Jay (21:43.119)
Guys usually pay a little bit extra, so about $130 to $150 depends on the party again. And couples, it's just double that. So it's around 180 to 200. But there were some parties that charge like 300 per person because they've got entertainment. They might have like a burlesque. So it just depends on how elaborate.
Bianca (22:05.958)
Yeah, okay.
Jay (22:11.468)
and what the focus of the event is. that's, yeah, that's the scene. So yeah, it's not cheap, but you it's an experience that you wouldn't get anywhere else. Yeah.
Bianca (22:19.672)
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
KV (22:22.683)
would you recommend it to someone like if someone said to you why should I go or what would make me want to go what would you say would be the top reason?
Jay (22:31.426)
Yeah, I would recommend it because it will help you. I think it's always good to kind of step out of your comfort zone, right? And it will just open your eyes to just a different form of entertainment, I guess, and a different kinds of people as well. I'm...
Bianca (22:47.42)
Okay. Thanks.
Jay (22:59.476)
always amazed by the different types of relationships they come across with people and how they make it work. mean, monogamy is fabulous for some people, right? But for others, they're like, no, we've, you know, some people will openly date others, like they're married, but they will go on dates and spend time with other people. Others will only, other couples may only play at parties only together. So I'm actually,
Bianca (23:06.585)
.
Jay (23:29.856)
I'm amazed that like, because relationships are hard, right? And to navigate that level of involving other people into your relationship. think that's...
Bianca (23:36.712)
Yeah. Yes. Chris, you've said that before. Like it's actually harder to be in a relationship than to not be in a relationship. have to think about the other person. You can't make a decision without consulting the other person. Like it's hard work. But when you were like in your previous relationship before you went to your first party, like were you always
Jay (23:47.83)
Who is it?
Jay (23:53.174)
Yes.
Jay (23:58.222)
Mm-hmm.
Bianca (24:00.588)
like a sexual being, were you very like, you know, into sex with your partner? Like, were you thinking about these things? Like, was this a fantasy of yours that you'd wanted to live out? Like how? Can you give me a bit of the psyche before this part?
Jay (24:12.334)
Yeah, think I was always curious about this sort of stuff, my partner was very... He was... He was just very traditional, right? And this just was not his thing.
Bianca (24:16.971)
Yeah.
Bianca (24:22.998)
Reserved?
KV (24:25.371)
Boring. No, I'm actually just making...
Bianca (24:28.083)
I'm one of those vanilla people.
KV (24:31.111)
I said boring and I wasn't talking about you.
Bianca (24:38.122)
Yeah, okay.
Jay (24:41.038)
And that's fair, and that's okay. I never would have brought anything like this up with him because I know it would not have gone down well. And yeah, and so when the relationship ended, but I felt like I had suppressed a lot of what I wanted to explore and do in that relationship. So.
Bianca (24:52.887)
Yeah
Jay (25:09.526)
And it's much easier being in the scene as a single woman, absolutely. Cause I don't have to worry about somebody else's needs who I see regularly. I think, hats off to the couples that kind of navigate their way through their relationship within the scene. think it's, but you really do need to have a really strong level of communication and just a strong understanding of each other and boundaries.
Bianca (25:17.899)
Thank you.
Bianca (25:23.191)
Yes. Yeah.
Jay (25:38.414)
You're forced to talk about boundaries, what you're comfortable with, you're not willing to do. A lot of couples don't have those conversations. You're forced to with things, so yeah.
Bianca (25:45.943)
Yeah. Applied.
KV (25:51.632)
There's a high level of emotional intelligence required to able to act something like this, which is why I've always been intrigued by the scene for that reason, because it's the quality of the people, the way they interact in society, just in general that is intriguing, you know? Yeah.
Jay (25:55.874)
Really?
Bianca (26:05.319)
The people.
Bianca (26:10.731)
Mm.
Jay (26:10.86)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And that's what I, that's the element that I enjoy about this, about the scene and the people that I meet, the people that I've made friends with and the couples. Yeah, I have a lot of friends who are couples who are in the scene and we've not done anything naughty together, but we just, I see them at events and parties and things like that. It's like, hey, nice to see you again.
Bianca (26:22.486)
Community.
Jay (26:39.456)
It's just really lovely. But I've I've compared it to, so I don't go to normal clubs anymore. I went a couple of times with a girlfriend after I had come out of my relationship. the comparison is just so different because everyone in the swingers scene at these parties,
Bianca (27:00.977)
Yeah. I'll expect that.
Jay (27:05.614)
They're really warm and welcoming and they want to meet. And even if you say, no, I don't want to play with you. I don't want to do anything with you. No worries. We'll have a drink later or something like that. You go to a normal bar, right? And a normal club, whatever it is. people are real, like people don't even talk to each other. Like they'll get all dressed up and they'll just kind of stare at each other from a distance. It's really cold. A lot of the guys are drunk.
Bianca (27:19.999)
Yeah. Okay.
Jay (27:35.361)
and really awful. I've not experienced that at any swingers event. I've actually felt safer there than I have at a normal bar. Yeah. I think because there's more, because of, you know, because there's sex on premises, things like that, people are a lot more not forgiving if guys are being, and I think guys are more mindless.
KV (28:03.687)
I'm nodding profusely because like for example, I went to the Crown last year and I was waiting for someone. can't remember what the situation was. But I got hit on by two different guys that just would not take no for an answer. And I am not shy, no issues with being. One guy I said no eight times too. you just completely, you would never get that at one of your parties. Like if you say no once, that's it. No is respected. Yeah.
Jay (28:16.077)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bianca (28:26.581)
Language. Thank
Jay (28:28.29)
Yeah, well, yeah, and that's why, there are, mean, there are, look, there are some guys that like will be a little persistent, but generally, generally they're pretty good. And yeah, but it's just, people are willing to make friends. want to, they want to get to know you and they want to make friends with you. Whereas you go to other places and they're just not interested. They don't even want to speak. It's like, why are you here? Why are you here if you're not going to speak to anybody?
KV (28:52.177)
Yeah.
Bianca (28:53.013)
Yeah. I think that that's just like you painted the picture beautifully. I can see it now. Like it's very clear.
Jay (28:55.648)
And it's almost as though they're just out there to be seen, whereas a lot of these events are people really do want to get to know other people, want to meet people and seen. So that's a massive difference for me. Like, and I saw that I saw it straight away. So yeah, I don't bother with the normal with going to normal clubs at all anymore.
KV (29:16.07)
Yeah.
Jay (29:22.38)
Yeah, that's fine.
Bianca (29:22.642)
Is there any, yeah, are there any like tips, I guess, for any of the listeners that are like wanting to bridge from fantasy to reality? what's potentially, how can they take that step to potentially go to their first party or where would they start? Like, can you give some?
Jay (29:34.861)
Yeah, yeah.
Jay (29:43.395)
Yeah, I get that. I get asked that a lot. I think to pick a party that you want to go to, you don't like just don't don't do anything. Just go there and like talk to people. You don't have to. Yeah, if you're going to a party and you feel and you feel pressured to do stuff, that's it's not a good party. And I probably yeah. So like.
Bianca (29:55.124)
Yeah.
KV (29:57.543)
That's a great tip.
Jay (30:08.654)
I think as much as you can do some research into the parties that you want to attend and try and find one where the focus is social rather than, don't do too much kink to begin with. Don't go to a party where they're gonna have all this BDSM stuff, because that's probably too much. I mean, some of it freaks me out and I've been around for ages.
Bianca (30:28.378)
Yeah.
Bianca (30:34.513)
Yeah. So where can people connect with you? Is Instagram best? Playfully Wicked on Instagram?
Jay (30:40.966)
yes. Yeah, we've got an Instagram, we've got Instagram page. So Playfully Wicked is, is my is ours. I'm also we're also we advertise on Red Hop High, which is like this kind of casual dating app. But that's what yeah, and a lot of it comes from word of mouth with us as well. And I because I tend to I go to other lots of other events, I end up talking to people who just
ask about stuff and like, come to my party. So yeah, but just go, like just go to a party and not do anything. Just like, you know, strip down to pick a really beautiful, like pick a really nice lingerie set or something like that, right? And just spend the night watching other people and just talking to people. I think that's the best thing. And then as you kind of get to know people, you will
Bianca (31:15.444)
Absolutely.
Bianca (31:24.484)
Just watch.
Jay (31:39.266)
get an understanding of what you feel comfortable doing. And you also meet people where you will want to do something with them in a way that you're comfortable doing it. Yeah, you kind of create that rapport. Yeah.
KV (31:50.779)
Yes, yes, yes. One at a time, yeah. Thank you so much for coming on. We just have loved interviewing you. It has just been so informative and yeah, a little bit exciting. So we really appreciate you. What we'll do is when we do the, when we, we'll make sure to mention you in our...
Bianca (31:51.999)
That was so good.
Bianca (32:04.421)
in strike tools.
Jay (32:04.59)
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
Bianca (32:08.484)
Oops.
KV (32:19.057)
so everyone will know where to find you because people that are curious can go check it out on Instagram.
Bianca (32:23.699)
Yes. Quietly we give each day and the gang. Thanks, day.
Jay (32:25.696)
Yeah, thank you. Well, thanks so much. Okay, bye.
KV (32:29.543)
Thank you.